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Topic Started: Dec 24 2014, 01:19 AM (1,260 Views)
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Yardrat Goku (SSJ) =
Mecha arc F. Trunks (SSJ) =

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Android arc Goku (SSJ) =
---Sick SSJ Goku =
Android arc Piccolo =
Android arc Vegeta (SSJ) =
Android arc Trunks (SSJ) =
19 post =
20 post =
Edited by Six Trails, Dec 24 2014, 01:20 AM.
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Yardrat Goku (SSJ) = 100
Mecha arc F. Trunks (SSJ) = 90

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Android arc Goku (SSJ) = 188
---Sick SSJ Goku = 150
Android arc Piccolo = 138
Android arc Vegeta (SSJ) = 194
Android arc Trunks (SSJ) = 184
19 post = 120
20 post = 125
Edited by FutureProtagonist, Dec 24 2014, 02:01 AM.
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Yardrat Goku (SSJ) = 225,000,000
Mecha arc F. Trunks (SSJ) = 200,000,000

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Android arc Goku (SSJ) = 1,000,000,000
---Sick SSJ Goku = 550,000,000
Android arc Piccolo = 650,000,000
Android arc Vegeta (SSJ) = 1,100,000,000
Android arc Trunks (SSJ) = 900,000,000
19 post = 500,000,000
20 post = 550,000,000
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That might be a bit excessive, no?

50% Future 17 < SSJ Future Gohan (one-arm) < SSJ Future Trunks < SSJ Goku < Future 17 right? So Android arc SSJ Goku could be less than 2x SSJ mecha arc Trunks

and I don't think 19 and 20 need to be that much stronger than Mecha arc Trunks. Post-absorption 19 was strong enough to make SSJ Vegeta bleed, so Vegeta doesn't need to be 2x stronger. and Vegeta still says that post-absorption 19 wasn't as strong as Future Trunks made the androids out to be. I don't think Mecha arc Future Trunks should be one-shot material for post-absorbtion 19, more like just in stomping range.
Edited by Six Trails, Dec 24 2014, 01:47 AM.
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Gonna use Nagito's format since i'm too lazy to make one lol.

Yardrat Goku (SSJ) = 225
Mecha arc F. Trunks (SSJ) = 205

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Android arc Goku (SSJ) = 600
---Sick SSJ Goku = 300
Android arc Piccolo = 480
Android arc Vegeta (SSJ) = 640
Android arc F. Trunks (SSJ) = 560
19 pre = 250
20 pre = 275
19 post = 375
20 post = 400
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Dec 24 2014, 01:19 AM
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I ordered them from strongest to weakest. I hope that's okay with you. It just made my OCD a bit easier to deal with here.

I also added in the future artificial humans for scale, and the pre-absorption androids.

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Super Saiyan Goku (post-Yardrat) - 225
Super Saiyan Trunks - 200

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Future Artificial Human #17 - 445
Future Artificial Human #18 - 400
Super Saiyan Vegeta (android saga) - 400
Super Saiyan Goku (android saga) - 380
--sick - 300
Super Saiyan Trunks (android saga) - 360
Piccolo - 300
Android #20 (post-absorptions) - 250
Android #19 (post-absorptions) - 240*
Android #20 - 225
Android #19 - 180
Future Artificial Human #17 (40% power) - 180

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The androids are tough because they need to fit in between Trunks from his debut and Piccolo post-android training, the latter of whom needs to be reasonably below Trunks post-android training, who should only be able to fight "fairly well" against the artificial humans of his timeline.

Future #17 (35-40% power) < SSj Future Gohan (1 arm) ~< SSj Trunks (debut) </< Android #19 (post) < Android #20 (post) <</< Piccolo <</< SSj Trunks < SSj Goku < SSj Vegeta ~ Future #18 < Future #17

Jack convinced me of the second half of that chain a while ago, and I've stuck by it ever since.

*I think this can be a tad lower, but I'll leave it for now.
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@Pyrus, some doubt.

I think you should put Yadrat Goku is greater than that because Trunks says Goku is greater than rumours tells him. And also where do you put Androids expected?
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Dec 24 2014, 06:59 AM
@Pyrus, some doubt.

I think you should put Yadrat Goku is greater than that because Trunks says Goku is greater than rumours tells him. And also where do you put Androids expected?
If I raise Goku then I have to raise #20, which moves everybody up, and the cap is the future artificial humans. It depends on what Trunks expected.

Expected androids? Enough to stomp Trunks is what I'd give 'em.
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Dec 24 2014, 02:09 AM
The androids are tough because they need to fit in between Trunks from his debut and Piccolo post-android training, the latter of whom needs to be reasonably below Trunks post-android training, who should only be able to fight "fairly well" against the artificial humans of his timeline.

Future #17 (35-40% power) < SSj Future Gohan (1 arm) ~< SSj Trunks (debut) </< Android #19 (post) < Android #20 (post) <</< Piccolo <</< SSj Trunks < SSj Goku < SSj Vegeta ~ Future #18 < Future #17
I like this chain in general but just wanted to comment that It can get even tighter if you believe that the power Trunks fought "fairly well" against wasn't actually their maximum strength.
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Super Saiyan Goku (post-Yardrat) - 190
Super Saiyan Trunks - 150
Freeza - 150

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Super Saiyan Vegeta - 894
Super Saiyan Goku - 715
Super Saiyan Trunks - 715
Son Goku (Afflicted) - 572
Piccolo - 458
Android #20 (post-absorptions) - 366
Android #19 (post-absorptions) - 235
Android #19 - 150
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The androids are tough because they need to fit in between Trunks from his debut and Piccolo post-android training, the latter of whom needs to be reasonably below Trunks post-android training, who should only be able to fight "fairly well" against the artificial humans of his timeline.

Future #17 (35-40% power) < SSj Future Gohan (1 arm) ~< SSj Trunks (debut) </< Android #19 (post) < Android #20 (post) <</< Piccolo <</< SSj Trunks < SSj Goku < SSj Vegeta ~ Future #18 < Future #17
I like this chain in general but just wanted to comment that It can get even tighter if you believe that the power Trunks fought "fairly well" against wasn't actually their maximum strength.
I believe it was, so I'm just stuck in a tight situation, not a vacuum hose.
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Yardrat Goku (SSJ) = 240
Mecha arc F. Trunks (SSJ) = 200

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Android arc Goku (SSJ) = 380
---Sick SSJ Goku = 160
Android arc Piccolo = 320
Android arc Vegeta (SSJ) = 400
Android arc Trunks (SSJ) = 360
19 post Goku = 225
20 post Piccolo= 253.86

This is what I have for 19 and 20 pre and the future androids:

Base 19: 128
Base 20: 128

20 post Yamcha: 144
20 post Veggie blast: 147.2

Future 17 & 18: 430


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Dec 24 2014, 01:26 AM
Yardrat Goku (SSJ) = 100
Mecha arc F. Trunks (SSJ) = 90

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Android arc Goku (SSJ) = 188
---Sick SSJ Goku = 150
Android arc Piccolo = 138
Android arc Vegeta (SSJ) = 194
Android arc Trunks (SSJ) = 184
19 post = 120
20 post = 125
Don't you think 20 is pretty close to Piccolo here?
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Yeah, but 20 is a lousy fighter and underestimated Piccolo.

It's not perfect, but I don't feel like re-doing it entirely.
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